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Bill Gallagher

Cameron Herold is the mastermind behind hundreds of companies’ exponential growth and has earned his reputation as the business growth guru. He has built a dynamic consultancy with clients that include a monarchy and a Big 4 wireless company. Cameron discusses his new book The Second in Command.


As second in command, COOs are often in place for a reason or a season, but rarely for the lifetime of a company. The COO takes care of everything that the CEO doesn’t love (or isn’t good at) and they serve as their main confidant. Like the yin and yang, the COO works not to duplicate, but to counterbalance the efforts of the CEO.


From his early days at 1-800-GOT-JUNK to his work with scaling up million dollar companies, Cameron has defined the second in command as a partner who has a shared vision but not the same strengths.


Cameron highlights the steps CEOs need to take to build out and identify their second in command based on the current needs of the company and the long-term vision of the company. Bottom line, if you are struggling with any aspect of leading your company, the answer may not be to learn how to do it better yourself. The answer may be to hire someone else to get the job done.


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Scaling Up is the best-selling book by Verne Harnish and our team for Scaling Up Coaches (formerly Gazelles). We share how the fastest-growing companies succeed where so many others fail.


Bill Gallagher, Scaling Coach and host of the show, is an international business coach who works with C-Suite leaders to achieve breakthrough growth.


We help leadership teams with the biggest decisions around People, Strategy, Execution, and Cash so that they can Scale Up successfully and beat the odds of business growth. Scaling Up is based on Verne’s original best-selling business book, Mastering the Rockefeller Habits.


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